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regarding the book ONE. If you would like to
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The following links regard
personal questions of learning that do not impact my
technical unification effort regarding my work with the
ONE
project. I will be forever in my life learning as a
student. I
have a deepened respect for other opinions, and
reverence for all religions of love and goodness.
I think there is a splendidly elegant statement in the
Preface to the New Testament in the New American Bible:
In all these areas the
[content] attempts
to display a sensitivity appropriate to the present
state of the questions under discussion, which are not
yet resolved and in regard to which it is impossible to
please everyone, since intelligent and sincere
participants in the debate hold mutually contradictory
views.
-
Reader Asks Gregg Zegarelli to Comment on Comparative
Religions
(April 7,
2007)
-
Reader Asks Gregg
Zegarelli about Separation of Church and State
(June 17,
2007,
Rev. June 24, 2007)
- Reader Asks for Comment on the "Cycle of Life" References
(March
18, 2007)
-
Reader Asks Gregg Zegarelli
about Divinity of Jesus
(April 8, 2007)
-
Reader Asks for
Clarification on Religious Dogma
(April 14, 2007)
- Reader Asks about Original Sin
(April 15, 2007)
-
Reader Asks about Virginia
Tech Massacre
(April 19, 2007)
-
Reader Asks about
"Vehicle of Light Analogy"
(April 28, 2007)
Subject:
Reader Asks about Translation on Marriage:
Mark's Divorce Exception
to Marriage
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In Matthew, there is
an exception to the absolute prohibition against
divorce, translated in ONE as no divorce "except if
the very marriage itself is unlawful." Why is
it not interpreted as "except for adultery"?
Most bibles (such as the King James) use the
"adultery" translation, but
ONE
does not nor does
the New American Bible.
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Response:
This is a great question
and it remains under consideration. The Greek is
difficult here and permits different
interpretations. I am continuing to study this
issue generally.
This is the “exceptive
clause” of Matthew, only contained in his Gospel (in
both of his textual references on the topic of
divorce: T5:32 and T19:9). All other Gospels
addressing divorce do not have any exception to the
prohibition against divorce.
So far as I have
read, the language used by Matthew can be
interpreted as "adultery," “infidelity” or “unlawful
sex acts” such as incest, so it is inherently vague
in meaning.
However, at the point
of drafting the
Original Printing,
I was inclined to use the Catholic interpretation of
“incest” particular to Matthew's location as
footnoted in the New American Bible, because it
seems to be consistent with Jesus' teachings. In
short, generally stated, the dogmatic Catholic
reconciliation for this exception is that during
Matthew's mission, while converting others to
Christianity, it was necessary to permit divorces
for marriages that were inherently unlawful, such as
those based upon incest.
Now, it seems to me
that Jesus was not for one of vague exceptions,
particularly when viewed in conjunction with his
teachings on forgiveness; so any exception would
need to be rather clear, such as for incest. For
example, an interpretation of Jesus' teaching of
unending forgiveness (except for adultery--whatever
that might exactly be), does not seem consistent
with his general teachings.
Having said that, the
Greek term used (i.e., no divorce except for
[term]) is
πορνειας
and not
μοιχεία.
The
latter Greek term that is not used is actually the
more precise term for “adultery” (sex with someone
not the spouse). The former term is, in fact, the
term used in the Gospel of Matthew. It is a far
more generalized Greek term and appears to include
adultery, sexual immorality, incest, bestiality,
unlawful acts, etc.
So, as a matter of
textual interpretation, the issue seems to be
whether the general word Matthew uses is: a)
supposed to broaden the exceptions to prohibition
against divorce (allowing more reasons to permit
divorce); or b) the only word that could be used to
accomplish the meaning intended by Matthew.
Although there are others more scholarly than I
regarding Classical Greek, my review indicates that
Classical Greek did not have a word for "incest."
That is, if the interpretation is "incest" but there
is a more specific word on that concept, that
interpretation would be discounted because Matthew
did not choose to use that more specific term.
(Such is actually the case with "adultery.")
So, in short, there is a more specific word for
"adultery" that was not used, and there is not a
more specific word for "incest" which would make the
word used by Matthew the proper word to use for
"incest." If we can assume that Matthew wanted
to be clear, and if we assume that there is a word
more clear than he used, it stands to reason that he
did not intend that word. That is, if he meant
"adultery" he would have used the clearer available
word.
From a different
perspective, a logical rather than textual analysis,
following is the text from the King James Bible:
Whosoever
shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of
fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and
whoseover shall marry her that is divorced
committeth adultery. T5:32
Whosoever
shall put away his wife, except it be for
fornication, and shall marry another, committeth
adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put
away doth commit adultery. T19:9.
Basically, the rule
says as follows (which any computer programmer will
understand): If you have divorced your wife (Divorce
= True) and she did not commit adultery (HerAdultery
= False), then you and she commit adultery with
others (FutureAdultery = True). No inverse or
other conditions are identified, such as when
(Divorce = True) and (HerAdultery = True): the
rule's applicability is silent on this other set of
conditions.
For ease of
discussion, let us play it out in the verbatim sense
with the wife committing the adultery: a wife
commits fornication (we will assume that this does
not mean bestiality with a spouse, but the
traditional concept of adultery with another even
though the Greek does not use that precise term).
Accordingly, the husband can then divorce his wife.
The rule does not address whether future relations
between the unfaithful wife are adultery. Very
technically, the rule merely states the other
condition: that if a husband would divorce a wife
without the "fornication" then his and her future
relations with others are adultery. But,
although not textually specified, let us take the
situation: a wife commits adultery with X, which
allows the husband to divorce her. Because the
condition is satisfied (HerAdultery = True), the
rule is silent as to the righteousness of future
acts of the adulterating wife. Accordingly,
the rule could be read as frustrating itself by
creating the situation whereby the wife who commits
adultery actually excludes herself and her partner
from the scope of the rule: that is, because she
committed adultery (HerAdultery = True) the rule
does not apply to her. (Once again, the rule
only specifies if HerAdultery = False, not if
HerAdultery = True.) This is certainly not the
better interpretation, and, again, using the
"incest" interpretation much more clearly removes
such interpretive complexities.
In conclusion: a)
Matthew did not use the specific term for
"adultery"; b) the word he used is the proper word
for "incest"; c) any exception to general rule
should be clear; d) there is only one Gospel with
the exception; and e) lack of forgiveness is
inconsistent with the other general teachings of
Jesus; therefore, I believe the use the language
that is similar to the Catholic interpretation is
the best dogmatic interpretation using the
"unlawful" term rather than "fornication" or
"adultery." Although technically not part of
the analysis, I am also mindful that some
interpretations using the term "adultery" may do so
to satisfy a worldly inclination to condone
divorces, and this is can be shown historically.
I am personally not inclined either way, and I
believe my interpretation is rational and balanced
relative to the source Greek text.
As all interpretation
questions, I remain open-minded to contrary
interpretations. |
Posted Saturday, February 10,
2007, 06:30 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Reader Asks about Translation on Forgiveness:
"Seventy-Seven" or "Seven
Times Seventy Times"
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This is a superb
project! I particularly like the idea of the
two versions so that the teachings of Jesus are
available for everyone. As a Christian believer in
the divinity of Christ, I am reading the
Original Printing.
I may have located an editing error. On both
page 125 and page 231, the text reads "...not seven
times, but seventy-seven times." The three
versions of Matthew that I am familiar with read," I
do not say seven times but seventy TIMES SEVEN."
(Capitals are mine to emphasize that I think in
ONE
the words times and seven were placed in reverse
order.) I suggest that they the text read
"seventy times seven" in the next printing, if I
have interpreted the text correctly. I did a
lot of editing when working. It is truly a nitty
gritty process to get all words correctly in print.
The concept of this book is worth pursuing. Making
corrections is just part of the process.
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| Response:
I wanted to get back to you
on your comment. The Greek used is
"ἑβδομηκοντάκις"
which can be
interpreted as "seventy times seven" or "seventy-seven"
times. The New American Bible uses the latter
interpretation and footnotes that this is an oblique
reference to similar language in Genesis 4:24. Following
is text from the Greek Lexicon and is cited below:
ἑβδομηκοντάκις adverb;
seventy times;
ἑ.
ἑπτά
in MT 18.22 may be seventy times seven (490), but more
probably seventy-seven times (77), as in Genesis 4.24.
ἑβδομηκοντάκις,
AB,
ἑβδομηκοντάκις.
Friberg, T., Friberg, B., & Miller, N. F. (2000). Vol.
4: Analytical lexicon of the Greek New Testament.
Baker's Greek New Testament library (125). Grand Rapids,
Mich.: Baker Books.
Accordingly, although
both translations appear to be acceptable, I believe the
translation should remain as is. However, I remain
open-minded to more comments or authority on why the
change to the text in ONE should be revised.
Please let me know any additional authority for making a
change. If you click on our "Help
Us Edit" page, you will see the current revision
queue. We want our readers to really get involved
and let us know their thoughts.
As all interpretation
questions, I remain open-minded to contrary
interpretations. |
Posted Saturday, February 10,
2007, 10:00 A.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Subject:
Reader Asks about
ONE is Missing Certain Stations of the Cross (Jesus
Falling, Veronica Veil)
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I am finishing
ONE.
I have enjoyed it
very much.
However, I am a Christian and your book does not
include Jesus falling and Veronica wiping his face
with her veil. Why not? During this
season, I expect to do the "Stations of the Cross"
but I did not see that text anywhere in your book.
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| Response:
The circumstances that you
mention are not in the source scriptural texts and,
therefore, cannot be included in ONE. The stories of Jesus falling
three times and (Saint) Veronica wiping Jesus' face are not
told within any
of the Gospels.
This is a great question,
and I admit to you that, when you asked the question, I
had to go back to ONE myself, and to the source texts,
to verify that there was no omission in the text of ONE.
I make this admission openly because I am completely
Catholic educated from grade school through law school,
and, even having written ONE, I still need to verify the
textual sources against the indoctrinization that is the
result of evolution from the source text. The
point fascinates me.
Because ONE unifies the text
of the Gospels, clarity and focus are brought to the
study of Jesus, and the reader is able to separate what
is contained in the text versus what has been developed
socially over the centuries. A detailed
explanation of the different "Stations of the Cross"
is
on Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stations_of_the_cross.
Thank you for this question. |
Posted Friday, March 9,
2007, 3:00 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Subject:
Reader Asks about
How
ONE Is Being Received in Marketplace
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How is ONE being
received in the marketplace?
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| Response:
To me, this is a fascinating
study!
As an initial point, please
check the
testimonials at
http://www.ougpress.com/storefront/web/t-ONE_testimonials.aspx.
We have really received great reviews from readers.
Having said that, I will
analyze the reviews a bit. ONE was only released on
December 1, 2006, but I will describe my understanding
the demographic so far. Generally, I believe that there
are three categories of readers:
- Casual readers
(non-clergy)
- Devout, careful
readers (non-clergy)
- Clergy
As to the third category,
clergy, there are many sub-categories, since "clergy" is
somewhat difficult to define, since it includes various
denominations that have different levels of dogmatic
constraint.
Let me address these, one at a time.
First, the "casual readers." Casual readers have
provided stunning reviews, particularly, because the
casual readers tend to be the persons who are and do not
want to be scholars, and may have never had the
opportunity to read the Gospels. Interestingly,
there are many Catholics who have commented that they
have been taught about the bible, but never really were
directed or otherwise inspired to read it. These readers
have been brought closer to the teachings of Jesus
through ONE. I say, "If you read ONE, you have
read the Gospel of Jesus." I believe that
statement. It is a joy for me when the "regular
person" reads ONE, and comes closer to the wise
teachings of Jesus. For the most part, the
feedback I have received is that these readers read ONE
as a novel and, if at all, only minimally use the
Unification Index for source referencing.
The comment from
casual readers tends to be, "I never read the Gospels
before, and I am amazed how easy ONE is to read. I
am surprised by how many sayings I've heard come from
Jesus. Now, when I go to church, I actually
recognize the Gospel reading."
Second, the "devout,
careful readers." These readers are the persons who have
really helped with the
Help Us Edit ONE program. These persons have been a
tremendous resource. The readers in this category
have also provided stunning reviews. The
difference is that some of these persons give their
compliments wrapped with questions, such as the one
concerning
Tatian, Divorce
or
Forgiveness. What is so special about this
group is how nice a group of people it has been.
My experience has been that the people in this group are
very thankful for the book and enjoy using it. At
the same time, the people in this group desire to know
more with an open mind and frame questions and
challenges in a very respectful and open-minded manner.
Such as even Jesus needed help carrying his cross, so do
I need this group to help me continue to improve ONE
through deepened review. Where ONE may bring the
casual reader to Jesus because of the ease and manner of
the text, I cannot say that ONE brings the devout reader
to Jesus; the devout reader is already there. For
these readers, ONE provides a new resource and new
perspective that allows honing of their understanding,
because of the ease of text and the Unification Index.
For the most part, these readers use ONE as a study
tool, with consistent use of the Unification Index.
I consider myself part of
this group, not being a member of clergy. I read
ONE myself, with a finger at the Unification Index, and
I constantly flip back and forth because I enjoy
reviewing the text in relation to determining the
unification sources.
The comment from the
devout, careful readers tends to be, "This is a great
work, why did you do xyz?" or "I have really enjoyed ONE
with my study group; however, there may be an editing
issue with xyz." The comment regarding
Forgiveness is an excellent representative example
of this group. Careful and critically analytical,
yet polite, appreciative and open-minded.
Third, the "clergy."
This is the really interesting group to me. Let me
say that many Eucharistic ministers and church ushers,
etc., (actually, these are part of the second group)
have purchased ONE and provided great feedback, often
with, "I will give a copy to my priest/pastor."
And, we have also had significant sales to educational
institutions, some religious. However, we have the
least amount of public feedback from this group.
One would think that ONE would be most publicly embraced
by this group even more than the second group.
But, in fact, we have received almost no public
feedback, even though I've had many readers say they've
given ONE to their priests, and, in fact, I gave two
copies to a priest at my own parish with no feedback.
I will not say I am surprised or not surprised, but I
will say that I find it interesting and intriguing.
Now, I suppose, I thought
that it might be that the clergy does not like the book,
and they are being polite to not tell me so (although I
am an attorney, so I can take it). But, I cannot
say that is probable because, in fact, I have received
too much positive feedback from the devout, careful
reader group. This group may not be clergy, but
they are very very smart people, and well-educated in
the scriptures. In fact, careful, devout readers
of the Gospels accounts for the most repeat purchases of
ONE.
Time will tell how the
feedback comes from institutional clergy, since the book
was only released 75 days ago at the time of this
writing. It may be that clergy takes longer to
form an opinion. But, the reason may be as simple
as this: it is a no-win situation for clergy to comment.
If a certain priest loves ONE, and says so, it may
conflict with the priest's institutional dogma, causing
conflict. If a certain priest criticizes ONE, then
I will need to debate the point and to defend the work,
causing conflict. It might be that silence is the
best policy for institutional clergy.
For example, if clergy
takes issue with the unification of the two
superficially conflicting stories of Mary Magdalene at
the tomb, I would simply reply, "Show me the unified
text endorsed by your religious institution." If
the clergy should say that every person must read all
four Gospels, and unify the text in their mind, I would
say, "Your rule defeats itself, because the weight of
that requirement is more than everyone needs to bear."
I think the comment
from the clergy should be something like as I have
admitted in the preface of ONE. Something like,
"The official position of the church is that it is the
duty of every Christian to read and deeply study the
source Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as well
as all other portions of the Bible. However, we
have determined that ONE is a work of goodness, and we
find that it is consistent with the teachings and goals
of the church. Accordingly, ONE is added to our
suggested reading list as an endorsed work and as a tool
for the further education of all Christians." |
Posted Sunday, February 11,
2007, 03:00 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Posted Sunday, February 11,
2007, 09:00 A.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Subject:
Reader Asks about
Comparing ONE to Tatian's Diatessaron
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I have a question for
Gregg Zegarelli. Could you please forward this question
to him?
In
the late 2nd century CE, Tatian composed the
DIATESSARON (or Diatessarion), with the express goal of making “one” out
of the “four” gospel accounts. How is this “goal”
different from the account you created today?
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| Response:
Thank you for your inquiry.
The goal may very well be the same, although the
implementation appears to be quite different.
As an initial point, let
me say that we understand that there are "harmonies of
the Gospels" and there are "parallels of the Gospels,"
the former being general integrations and the latter
placing the four texts in a columnar parallel.
These countless prior works are readily available, they
are important and they certainly have their purpose.
However, ONE is different because it is a parallel
within a harmony, and it has a completely new baseline
post-unification index.
For example, there have
been movies that attempt to harmonize the Gospels.
In other words, any work that integrates the various
stories of Jesus from the multiple Gospels is a harmony
to some degree. For example, if a movie has both
the washing of the apostles' feet and the "father
forgive them they know not what they do" statement, that
movie has harmonized the Gospels of John and Luke, since
only each of those Gospels have the respective
circumstances mentioned. (That is, only John
contains the description of the washing of feet, and
only Luke contains the statement from Jesus on the
cross.) Mel Gibson's The Passion of The Christ
is a harmony.
Also, there are many
great works that place parallel passages next to each
other, so the reader can see how, for example, Matthew
and Mark each describe the miracle of walking on water.
In my drafting of ONE, I, myself, used parallels as
tools at times--although use of parallels was not part
of my usual methodology of drafting.
But, ONE is truly
different because it is a complete textual integration
remaining faithful to original text. Usually
harmonies lose authority in the harmonizing process, and
parallels are not easy to read. And, neither
provide a definitive unified citation reference.
ONE provides a unified baseline of reference for
deepened study and religious study groups.
Now, if you review the ONE
Unification Index on the website, you will see samples
of the clause by clause integration. Each and
every clause in ONE is referenced back to its derivative
source; every clause of all four Gospels is reconciled
into ONE. In this way, the ONE text is both simplified
and maintains scholarly authority; this is what makes
ONE unique. The Unification Index also provides a
foundation for meaningful debate and challenge to the
integrity of the unification task. Also, the re-indexing of the unified text permits an entirely new
baseline for comparison and discussion.
So, having said that,
throughout time, many have attempted to harmonize and
parallelize the Gospels, but not like ONE. ONE has
authority and is easy to read. Usually authority
of reference is lost for ease of text, or ease of text
lost for authority of reference. But, not in ONE.
That is why ONE has
received such positive feedback. The goal is to
learn the teachings of Jesus, and thereby apply those
teaching in daily life. ONE gets the reader to the
goal more effectively and efficiently. That is why
I say that, if you are a scholar, you must read all four
Gospels separately in scholarly fashion and dissect and
integrate them yourself (and you can and should use ONE
as a reference during that process). However,
if you are not a scholar, and you do not want to be a
scholar, then ONE (I truly believe) is the most
effective and efficient way for you to read and learn
the teachings of Jesus.
Back to Tatian. Tatian's work appears to
be significantly different in implementation. The entry
text in ONE (derived from John and Luke) is very
different than in Tatian's work. Whether ONE is better
or worse than Tatian, I suppose, depends upon the
reader's purpose. I can tell you that we are grateful to
be getting kind testimonials from our readers, who
include both scholars and casual readers. I have very
deep respect for the task undertaken by Tatian, because
I cannot even imagine the difficulty of attempting the
task without the use of
computer technology. The integration of text and
tracking of clauses into the
Unification Index
was not part of Tatian's work.
Again, it is one task to
harmonize the Gospels, it is a completely different
level of effort to track that process and create a
Unification Index
so that the reader can reference the text back to the
source Gospels. It is the
Unification Index
that gives new power to the reader. |
Posted Sunday, February 11, 2007,
09:00 A.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
Revised Saturday, April 7, 2007, 09:00 A.M.
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Reader Asks
Gregg Zegarelli to Comment on Comparative Religions
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What is your
belief regarding other religions?
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| Response:
First, I will say that my
personal belief was
not necessarily part of the mechanical task of unifying
the text. However, as the author of ONE, it is
reasonable to conclude that I have contemplated deeply
such things as the nature of religion, so I will address
the question briefly. (I do really mean briefly,
since I certainly do not intend this to be detailed work
of philosophy or religious analysis; although it may be
that we make simple truths more complex than necessary.)
Having said that, I will
break down the parts of religions that are
generally common among them (such as I can see them), so
that we can think about them a bit more clearly. I
believe the breakdown is rather logical and
straight-forward, although we may often fail to analyze
such things with proper attention.
1. "Abstract
Issues," such as the nature of the soul. Such
issues cannot be evidenced with empirical data.
(I will leave that issue somewhat as it is, in that
I will not debate the really existential point such
as, "Can the cup you hold ultimately be proved by
empirical evidence...ultimately?" That is too
existential for the purpose here, and I will hold with the basic point that debating who is correct as
to the nature of the soul is quite a distinct type of
question from determining who is correct in an
argument over whether a living human being can
bleed.)
2. "Concrete
Issues," such as the rules for interacting socially
in the "earthy" world. That is, rules
regarding living within a human social existence.
3. "Mixed
Issues," such as ritual. That is, ritual actually taking
place in the "earthly" world for the purpose of accomplishing the
satisfaction of the abstract beliefs in No. 1, above.
For example, the slaughter of a sheep as a sacrifice
to God. This is something in the "earthly world"
that has significance for the "spiritual world"
and/or afterlife, but is not per se a requirement of
core human social interaction. The ritual
itself may have an impact on social interaction
(such as a group dancing around a fire), but it is not an
ultimate goal per se. Fasting and prayer are
within this category. The ultimate goal is
that something be performed in this life that has a
believed impact on a future life.
Thus, to me, it appears
that religions generally consist of a combination of
abstract beliefs, concrete rules of social
interaction/activity, and mixed rules of activity for
the purpose of fulfilling the abstract belief. With that
as a foundation, I will think about them with you.
First, Concrete
Issues—the easiest analytical category. It would seem for
the Atheist, that only No. 2 is applicable: Concrete
Issues. This would necessarily be true since,
without divinity or "God" as part of the formula, life
is defined by the scope of earthly activity. An Atheist may or may not contradict the rules established
by various religions in their respective concrete rules.
An Atheist may be a personally or socially "good" person
or a "bad" person, as anyone might be. Let us stay
true to the category, though, and not bleed the point
into the "mixed" issues category. For example, if
a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Atheist, Hindu and believer in
Confucianism all act with love toward their neighbor in
this life (although they have differences as to the
after-life/Abstract Issues), there is absolutely no
difference between them within the scope as to this
discrete category. Based upon action in this
earthly world alone, without the ascribing of religious
dogma or beliefs, there is, in this and similar
examples, no basis for a Christian, Muslim, Jew,
Atheist, Hindu and/or believer in Confucianism to
conduct war for causes under this category. This is true, by definition, and
anyone who debates this point confuses or bleeds
categories. That is, within the discrete scope of
social interaction, there is no Concrete Issues basis to
smack a person who kisses you because they do not share
a belief as to the Abstract Issues.
Second, as to Abstract Issues,
assuming that Abstract Issues do no touch upon Concrete
Issues (and, therefore, by definition, are not part of
Mixed Issues), the rules of any religion appear to be academic. If you say the soul is black and
I say the soul is white, being an Abstract Issue,
neither of us have any earthly evidentiary foundation for our
beliefs, and neither of us have any evidence to refute
the other. If you say the afterlife is white
light, and I say the afterlife is a new perfect physical
world, even assuming our human minds can contemplate the
nature of the God and the afterlife, neither of us can
prove our point. To debate such issues may or may
not be rational to some extent, but it is inherently
futile. If someone should argue, "My abstract ideas
are better than your abstract ideas, because my book of
words says so" it begs the question.
Now, let me state it a
bit differently, so it is clear where it appears that a
superficial analysis goes wrong: Words that embody
Abstract Issues cannot thereby convert those Abstract Issues into Concrete Issues.
The first time I had a discussion with a friend stating
this point, my friend responded, "But my beliefs are
true because the Bible says so; I have proof right here
in this Bible in the words of our Lord, Jesus Christ,
the Savior." So I will say it again, words (oral
or written) cannot make Abstract Issues into Concrete Issues.
If someone believes that Jesus' statements of the
Abstract Issues are true, that is what the person
believes. If someone believes that Moses' or
Muhammad's statements of the Abstract Issues are true,
that is what the person believes. However, there
is no reason for a Christian, for example, to fight with a Jew or Muslim over the
statements of Abstract Issues because there is no
earthly proof for the earthly debate. Accordingly,
the earthly debate is ultimately futile. And,
therefore, the debate over the relative merits of
Abstract Issues is, by definition, academic.
Third, as to Mixed
Issues, the analysis is somewhat derivative, since Mixed
Issues are a combination of earthly acts for the purpose
of divine favor or afterlife qualification.
Irrespective of "why" a religion
inspires a worldly action, all or most religions have a rule set for living
in the real world. For example, harmonious and
peaceful co-existence with other living things, such as
it can be done within the context of the cycle of life
and environment. If we remove "why" someone acts
righteously, it is the analysis contained for Concrete
Issues, since a Christian may love because Jesus says
so, and an Atheist may love because it is
proper for
controlled social interaction.
For example, take the
Ten Commandments (aka,
the "Decalogue"):
Honor your father and mother, do not murder, do not
commit adultery, do not steal, do not lie, do not covet;
all of which are precise commands on social activity in
the world in which we exist. These rules are
naturally and self-evidently positive in our social
environment, with or without the spiritual or divine implications.
The Ten Commandments (aka,
the "Decalogue"):
| Do not worship
other gods (Abstract or Mixed Issue) |
Do not murder.
(Concrete Issue) |
| Do not worship
idols (Abstract or Mixed Issue) |
Do not commit
adultery. (Concrete Issue) |
| Do not use God's
name in vain (Abstract or Mixed Issue) |
Do not steal.
(Concrete Issue) |
| Keep holy the
Sabbath (Abstract or Mixed Issue) |
Do not lie.
(Concrete Issue) |
| Honor your
father and mother (Concrete Issue) |
Do not covet
your neighbor's goods or spouse (Ultimately a
Concrete Issue) |
An Atheist and member of
any religion can equally follow the social rules in six
of the Ten Commandments, and, therefore, are Concrete
Issues. The first four of the Ten Commandments are
mixed issues because they are believed to be directives
of what to do
on earth as a command from the divine.
As to Mixed Issues, I
will sub-divide into: 1) actions purely for sake of the
spirit and with no material social goal; and
2) those which have a dual purpose, that is both a
spiritual and social function. For example, the
slaughtering of a sheep for no purpose other than as a
sacrifice would be the first category, as is the act of
praying (a physical personal act with no necessary
social function); or, the second category, for example,
the "sign of peace" in a church ceremony, that requires
an interactive social symbol of peace in a spiritual
context, or the first four of the Ten Commandments.
Now, as to the first
sub-category, such as praying (or doing so facing a
certain direction), I have no basis to judge, because the
activity is purely a personal act, with purely personal
implications, based purely upon the person's belief as
to Abstract Issues. If a person's
religion requires requires prayer during the day, or
facing a certain direction, so be
it. Generally speaking, it is an act without social impact.
How am I to judge my brother or sister's peaceful
activities?
As to the second
sub-category, I will merely analyze it within the
category for Concrete Issues, without regard to the
purpose or "why" that act occurs for comparative
religious analysis. If a religion requires that a
person kiss me or slap me, I can assess that act as a
Concrete Issue, so I defer back to the discussion on
that category.
Therefore, my analysis of
persons and comparative religions reduces to what
people actually do, or the "fruits of their labor"
as Jesus taught. You come to know a people by
their respective actions.
ONE:
631. Love is impotent in the abstract. Although it
might superficially seem to be ironic, I believe that I am commanded to
forget the institutional religious belief of others.
All conversion is to love, not to institutional
religion. Shall we forget that, in Jesus' story of
the Good Samaritan, the first person to pass the injured
man was a priest?
ONE:
1038. His point, of course, was not
any disregard for those many good persons who are
devoted to God as their sole life's purpose, but a
reproach for hypocritical action. The point is
further made by Jesus in his Parable of the Two Sons:
one son said he would do his father's will, yet did not;
the other son said he would not do his father's will yet
did.
ONE:
2061. Deeds ultimately control.
As Henry Ford said, "The
older I get, the more I watch what people do, and the
less I listen to what they say." I think this is a
wise statement.
I do not filter my love for
others, nor others' love for me, by judging the source
by academic Abstract Issues.
That yoke is too hard to carry, and that camel too large
to swallow.
Thank you for your
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2007, 06:30 A.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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I read your Blog article
on "comparative
religions." You say, "For example, harmonious
and peaceful co-existence with other living things, such
as it can be done within the context of the cycle of
life and environment." I also read your
letter to your children, where you say, "But, if you
ever laugh at nature when you take life from her, I
assure you that she will laugh when she takes life from
you." Can you clarify what you mean? Thank
you in advance.
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| Response:
Thank you for your question.
I will state it briefly, although it has no bearing on
my work with
ONE.
I personally believe that
the creator intended that there be a natural and worldly
cycle of life. An eco-system that human beings
share in the natural environment with other animals.
I am personally reconciled with right to life while, at
the same time, I believe in the consumption of meat and
other things that were once alive: be it animal or
vegetable. I am personally reconciled that human
beings are naturally omnivores (although I acknowledge
that the Old Testament identifies that humans were
vegetarians until the Great Flood, Genesis: 1:29-30;
9:2-7).
To me, things rest upon
intention and necessity. To me, the fact that living things subsist
upon other living things is the state of the creator's
nature. To me, that one living thing gives its
life for the life of another living thing is natural.
It is intended. For those who would debate the issue, I
merely ask whether they can reproduce the body of their
worldly humanity by the Spirit. We give to Caesar
what is Caesar's—and
Jesus clearly paid the tax. Living in the world requires
worldly actions. But, again, this is my personal
view of the world, and, again, does not impact my work
for
ONE.
For example, it is by technology that we
can start thinking about synthetics in place of
animal skins for warmth. For those who are
philosophically opposed to wearing animal skins, I can
only say that it is a convenient argument for the
privileged of today and could not have been so from the
beginning, such as, for example, the American
Indians needed to take the life of animals for
themselves to keep their human condition from extinction.
But, of course, the measurement and circumstances of necessity will evolve
in time and change in the context. And, there is a
point of philosophy, and a point of real-world
implementation, that need to be separately considered.
But, that said, I do not
particularly find visiting zoos a pleasing experience,
as I would not, myself, desire to be caged and viewed
for pleasure. I do not believe in hunting for
sport without appurtenant necessity. I do not
believe in the memorializing of killed things as prided
trophies. If you need to hunt, then you must; if
you need to kill, then you must. I do not believe
in stepping upon ants because we can do so without
seemingly worldly consequence. I do not believe in
proud laughing at any time the life of a living thing is
taken, be it animal or vegetable.
I think the proper intention
is to live and let live, and when the life of a living
thing is necessarily taken, to simply say, "Thank you"
and/or "I am sorry" as the context requires, with
deepened appreciation for the cycle of life from which
we all take and give.
I do not profess at all that
the above is the correct view of the world, only that it
reconciles for me. The closing in
Abraham
Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address may provide some
additional insight into my basic view of necessity to
take life and
respect for life:
If we shall
suppose that American slavery is one of those
offenses which, in the providence of God, must
needs come, but which, having continued through
His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and
that He gives to both North and South this
terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the
offense came, shall we discern therein any
departure from those divine attributes which the
believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?
Fondly do we
hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty
scourge of war may speedily pass away.
Yet, if
God wills that it continue until all the wealth
piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty
years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and
until every drop of blood drawn with the lash
shall be paid by another drawn with the sword,
as was said three thousand years ago, so still
it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are
true and righteous altogether."
With malice
toward none, with charity for all, with firmness
in the right as God gives us to see the right,
let us strive on to finish the work we are in,
to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him
who shall have borne the battle and for his
widow and his orphan, to do all which may
achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace
among ourselves and with all nations.
Abraham Lincoln. March 4, 1865.
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Posted Sunday, March 18,
2007, 10:00 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Friend of Gregg Zegarelli, is Surprised by ONE
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Gregg, I know you.
You're a "normal" person. I am very surprised by this
religious work. I had no idea! Please
explain.
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| Response:
First, let me say
that
ONE is a unification of the Gospels. It
contains the wise teachings
and deepened faith of Jesus, to which many people adhere
at different points and degrees. Whether it is a
work of religion is for the beholder to take, but it is
not for this author to give.
ONE is art, not science; readers will take from it
what they will. I do not think that
there is much dispute that the teachings of Jesus are
wise, but the concept of religion ironically seems to
bring with it constraints of human tradition that seem
to cause deepened strife in the world. These
traditions seems to filter some from others, and I am
reminded of Jesus' statement, "[Y]ou strain out the gnat
and swallow the camel!"
ONE:
2227. Now, some may say that religion also brings
great peace in the world, and, possibly, they are
correct. But, it may be that any such peace
actually derives
from the more essential loving and contentment in being
loved that is a common denominator of many different
religions. (Does not human tradition in some
religious institutions prevent women from leading the
expression of love in ceremony of mutual devotion?)
So, in short, I think—and
certainly hope—ONE
is a work of goodness, but I cannot say it is a
religious work. It speaks for itself and is what
it is.
Second, having said
that, as to me, generally, I suppose people carry their
respective belief systems differently. Some keep
it private and personal, and others shout it out.
I cannot say whether one way is correct or better than
the other. I am reminded of Jesus defending those
who praised him by compulsion, when he said, “I tell
you, if they keep silent, the stones will cry out!”
ONE:
1993. It works for such people, but, I cannot say
that has been my way. It might be that what I
naturally say to others is a bit more subtle and
non-denominational than customarily recognizable.
Some people of strong devotion openly profess it pervasively
in their lives and wear clothing denoting their
devotions and position. This apparently works for those who
do so. I cannot find any absolute authority from
Jesus to wear such denotations, although I could argue
he implied not to do so.
ONE:
912. In any case, I do not adorn with such
professions; I suppose that makes me, "normal."
Clearly, we see from Jesus himself that people will
ultimately be recognized by their deeds, not their
clothing. So, for me, it is enough to try to do good works within the
failures of my
limitations and weaknesses. Some people bow their heads at any
public dining, and that works them, but I personally
think that a simple mental "thank you" without
a blink of the eyes is enough. I have never been
able to completely clear my own conscience that such
actions are either for others to see or an imposing push
of faith onto others, so I avoid the question. I
am also reminded of Jesus' teaching, "But when you pray,
go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your
Father in secret."
ONE:
550. I
respectfully presume others are doing the same. (Of
course, this is certainly distinct from a situation, for
example, where there is a known shared tradition in a group
for those who are drawn to do so.)
Even in starting this
document, it is a passive work responding to those who
ask me questions, and for those who are interested to
read the responses. I believe that
ONE
is an interesting project and
should be discussed for those interested to do so.
But, it is without imposition. There is a
fundamental difference in movement between a push and a pull.
If I recall, Eisenhower said, "Put a string on a table.
Push it from behind. It bunches up and goes
nowhere. Now, pull it from the front. It
nicely makes forward progress." Even if I would
speak at all, I think it should be without imposition to
others, particularly if grounded upon the unprovable presumptions of
correctness regarding
Abstract Ideas. I am glad to speak mutually
quietly about such things with those who deeply enjoy
the iteration of mutual conversation and study. I
can be devoutly faithful without pushing it upon others;
I will be judged later as to whether I have breached
some duty to do otherwise. But, I think that, if
we listen, we will hear a whisper.
Third, about the
drafting process of
ONE,
only my wife knew I was working on "a book" by
observing the effort (even she without
knowing the subject-matter) and none of my other family
nor my close friends had any idea. What good is
talking about intentions? Deeds will speak
for themselves, as they are, after having been performed.
Fourth, I am reminded Jesus'
statement that he came eating and drinking and people said,
"Look, [Jesus] is a
glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and
sinners."
ONE: 1021. Jesus apparently knew how to
have a good time. So do I. Certainly, so do
I.
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Posted Friday, April 6,
2007, 8:00 A.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Subject: Reader
Asks about Divinity of Jesus
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I really enjoyed
ONE.
I have read Mr. Zegarelli's Blog and would like to know
whether he believes in the divinity of Jesus?
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| Response:
Thank you for the question,
since this is a personal question, I will preface again
that my personal belief does not impact my
technical unification of the Gospels in
ONE.
I will be forever in my life learning as a student.
And, for the reasons I mention throughout this blog, I
have a deepened respect for other opinions, and
reverence for all religions of love and goodness.
I think there is a splendidly elegant statement in the
Preface to the New Testament in the New American Bible:
"In all these areas the present translation attempts
to display a sensitivity appropriate to the present
state of the questions under discussion, which are not
yet resolved and in regard to which it is impossible to
please everyone, since intelligent and sincere
participants in the debate hold mutually contradictory
views."
Having prefaced, I will
address your question:
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The answer to the
question is, "Yes."
I note that you only asked
part of the question, and so I only answered so much.
Until another day, I ask you the following:
Are the generations of
truly good and righteous men and women, prophets and wise
persons,
including Moses, for example, who prayed to Jesus' God
of Abraham, completely saved at
judgment, or are they in some lesser state of potential
salvation merely because they pre-dated Jesus and they were
not Christians? Do they lack absolute and complete
salvation?
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Posted Sunday, April 8,
2007, 10:00 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
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Asks for Clarification
on Dogma
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I have read some of your
interview and your blog. You were raised Roman
Catholic, yet you make somewhat progressive comments
such as woman becoming priests, and priest getting
married. Please explain.
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| Response:
Thank you for the question,
since this is a personal question, I will preface again
that my personal belief does not impact my
technical unification of the Gospels in
ONE.
I will be forever in my life learning as a student.
And, for the reasons I mention throughout this blog, I
have a deepened respect for other opinions, and
reverence for all religions of love and goodness.
I think there is a splendidly elegant statement in the
Preface to the New Testament in the New American Bible:
"In all these
areas the present translation attempts to display a
sensitivity appropriate to the present state of the
questions under discussion, which are not yet resolved
and in regard to which it is impossible to please
everyone, since intelligent and sincere participants in
the debate hold mutually contradictory views."
Having prefaced, I will
address your question:
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First, let me start
be creating a foundation to help think about your
request:
As a general rule, anyone who departs from
the constraints of particular
dogma is a "heretic."
The Oxford English Dictionary defines "heresy" as,
"Theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained
in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the ‘catholic’
or orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by
extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious
system, considered as orthodox." More
specifically,
the analysis of heresy is a somewhat complex
question, depending upon the point at issue, the nature
of the contradiction and the adherence by the believer.
But, let us stay on the
general concept to make the point. "Heresy" is such a strong word.
But, in truth, no one who truly believes is or can be a
heretic from their own perspective.
By definition, all heresy is a
judgment from one person or group upon another.
It is, by definition, a proclamation from an external
source.
And what scary imagery!
Do we not see a traditional cleric pounding his stick
pointing to an accused saying, "You are
excommunicated, and your soul is condemned to hell"?
Now, let me expand the
scenario. In fact, the person judged to be a
heretic performed no
bad deeds at all, but the person is condemned for not
sharing in the
beliefs of the cleric accuser's dogma. That
is, the accused is so judged for not similarly believing
in the
Abstract Ideas of the cleric. Now, remember,
the heretic in my example has performed no bad deeds (Concrete
Issues), and, let us say, in fact, the person was
Mother Theresa's assistant and fully assisted her in
her life-mission of actually helping ease the pain of many others
throughout the world.
I suppose the accused can
take the cleric's judgment of heresy in two ways: 1) the
accused is insecure in his or her belief, and,
therefore, to some extent, accepts the cleric's judgment with burden and
guilt; or 2) the accused, being a true believer in his
or her own dogma, and being therefore without insecurity
or fear, naturally repels the accusation as powerless.
To the true believer, no other person's
judgment is material. And, I could take
the example to the sublimely ridiculous where the
accused argues back, "No, you're excommunicated from
my church, and maybe it's your soul that's in
trouble" to which the cleric responds, "No, you," and
the accused back again, "No, you!" Okay, let us
say in my example, Mother Theresa's assistant was a
person of sublime goodness, but a Lutheran as to belief
in
Abstract Ideas.
Second, having
said that, I am reminded of a situation. A close
friend of mine is good person, deeply "religious" and
devout; she is a true a student of the scriptures.
But, she is not a member of the Roman Catholic church.
In fact, she is a non-denominational Christian. In
friendly bantering (I somewhat presumptuously call it
"friendly"...), I asked her if she believed in
the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church's exclusive
leadership and dogmatic infallibility, to which she
responded, "No." So, for analytical discussion reasons
(not judgment), I
indicated that she might be within the definition of a heretic
as a protestant, as was Martin Luther, and, she was offended. She
had never thought about it; therefore, she never thought
of herself potentially as such. And, certainly,
the great protestant Martin Luther—who
desired only to reform a church back to its essence—was
claimed to be a heretic. His heresy was not regarding deeds but over
Abstract Ideas; that is, his heresy was not over
deeds, but over dogma.
Now, I suppose that I
could
create a
Venn Diagram of the various religious (and possibly
philosophical) dogmas to determine who is a heretic of
whom, but it is not for me to judge. Moreover, as
I stated in my reflection on
Comparative Religions, I merely watch what other
people do as a concrete social question because that is the
correct
concrete worldly context.
Third,
and finally, it is clear to me that love and
heresy cannot co-exist. I am reminded that
Abraham Lincoln said he would join any church that
had love as its only requirement for membership, and I
think he was a wise man of deepened faith. No
person who loves and does good deeds can be a heretic.
Truly, that is the end of the discussion for me, although I
explain this in some detail in my reflection on
Comparative Religions.
If any of the "protestant"
or other religions believe in woman celebrating a
ceremony of love or "priests" taking part in the human
joy of marriage, that seems wonderful to me. We
need all the devotion that we
can get from fathers and mothers themselves as examples
for our children, and, so, those seem
consistent with the goal.
I am comfortable with my
beliefs, although I certainly respect that my personal
reconciliations may not work for others. As for
me, I find no heresy in Jews, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Athiests or anyone who loves and does good deeds.
To me, those who judge so make human life far too hard,
and the yoke is supposed to be easy and burden light.
Separation of the wheat from the chaff is the separation
of those who love and do good deeds and those who do
not. Nothing more or less.
So, my training may be
called Roman Catholic, but, as
Mahatma (Mohandas) Gandhi said, when asked whether he was a
Hindu, replied: "Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a
Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew." And, I think Gandhi
was a wise man of deepened spiritual faith.
Thank you for the question.
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2007, 1:00 P.M., by Gregg Zegarelli
Revised May 18,
2007, 6:00 A.M.
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Does Jesus Teach about
Original Sin
in the Gospels and
ONE?
Do you believe in
"Original
Sin"?
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| Response:
Thank you for the question,
since this is a personal question, I will preface again
that my personal belief does not impact my
technical unification of the Gospels in
ONE.
I will be forever in my life learning as a student.
And, for the reasons I mention throughout this blog, I
have a deepened respect for other opinions, and
reverence for all religions of love and goodness.
I think there is a splendidly elegant statement in the
Preface to the New Testament in the New American Bible:
"In all these areas the present translation attempts
to display a sensitivity appropriate to the present
state of the questions under discussion, which are not
yet resolved and in regard to which it is impossible to
please everyone, since intelligent and sincere
participants in the debate hold mutually contradictory
views."
Having prefaced, I will
address your question:
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No, and No.
Original Sin is not, in my
opinion, taught by Jesus, although it is certainly part
of the Catholic catechism. Others have different
opinions of this point and stretch to indicate that
Jesus implied it. But, I think Jesus was expressly
clear on all points he intended.
As to me, I suppose that there are certainly at least
two ways to get to a "faith" or a "belief": 1) we get
there because we are inspired and drawn to it, or 2) we
get there because we can rationalize it to some
appropriate degree. And, I suppose, those two ways
are not mutually exclusive, and there can be a mix of
both. To the latter, I added, "to an appropriate
degree," because I cannot say any human will ever be
able to rationalize the "first cause" (that is, to
rationalize how the first "something" was created from
nothingness).
I would not be truthful
if I said that I am inspired to believe in Original Sin.
But, in reality, I think I cannot believe it on faith,
because it contradicts what I can rationalize. Or,
stated another way, I am unable to reconcile it to my
satisfaction. So far, anyway.
Now, I will digress and
point out that it has been said that, if you need to
prove faith, it ceases to be wonderful. But, I
will direct that speaker back to the great
Saint Thomas Aquinas, a man of great philosophy and
rationality. So, let the speaker not pick and
choose. I will point out again: that which
makes religious faith so beautiful to the beholder, is
exactly that which makes it quite ugly to non-beholder.
This is where religious war begins, over the
abstract ideas. Thus, it is the contention of
abstract ideas that ironically creates great strife in the real
world. If we can really find the truth, it will
necessarily transcend all religious institutions of love
and goodness.
I repeat the
statement, so it is not overlooked: if we can really
find the truth, it will necessarily transcend all
religious institutions of love and goodness.
But, back to Original
Sin.
I will probably be
oversimplifying, but let me state the general premise of
Original Sin:
Adam and Eve were
created by God. They were perfect and
good. They lived in the Garden of Eden,
which was perfect. But, God, although
perfect, was apparently somewhat insecure about
his creation, so he created a test: "all is
yours, but do not eat that piece of fruit."
The Evil One (Satan) tricked Eve, and she and
Adam, in an act of imperfection, then ate the forbidden fruit. God
became paternally angry and disappointed, and
cast them from the Garden of Eden. For the
first time, they realized that they were naked,
and they had shame. Now, woman would have
to bear children in pain. Etc.
Now, when I start any
discussion regarding Original Sin with someone, I
usually ask if the person knows that there are two
stories of the creation in Genesis: Gen 1:1, and at Gen
2:4/5, labeled respectively in the New American Bible
as, "First Story of Creation" and "Second Story of
Creation." This is just a simple framing threshold
question, but not important for the discussion to occur.
Then, I usually ask the
other person to describe life in the Garden of Eden.
Were there stones? Could Adam trip on a stone?
If he tripped, did he fall on the ground? If he
hit a stone, could he bleed? If he could bleed,
could he bleed to death? Could the wound get
infected? What was the eco-system like? Were
the lions vegetarians? If so, did they have big
teeth? If not, did the antelope they ate bleed?
Was not the strength given to the neck of the wolf to
tear and pull flesh from another animal? Were the
sharks vegetarians, and did they not have rows of teeth?
These questions invariably bring the other person to say
either that the questions were never considered, or that
the person stopped thinking of it and relies on simple
faith.
I accept that response,
because, after all, we are discussing
abstract points of faith. However, as for me, I cannot get
to a point where I can reconcile the state of that
nature. I cannot reconcile it on principles of
reality, nor can I reconcile it on principles of my
fundamental faith in a just and good creator. Certainly, there was no football in the
Garden of Eden, or, at least, no meaningful football.
Perfection abhors the pain of losing. In the
Garden of Eden, no one could apparently drop the ball.
Academics aside, in fact, it is imperfection
that is the
sine qua non of all meaning in life.
Stated another way, it is exactly the relative degrees
of imperfection from which all appreciation is
the result.
Back again to the precise
point. I certainly believe that the creator is
ultimately just, to whatever extent that the creator is
a judge. I certainly know that humans are bound to
the weakness of their flesh, and are sometimes misguided
in their thoughts, both reasons being the subject of a
proper judge's judgment.
But, I will try to
outline the premises of many Christians:
God is good, just and
perfect.
God created Adam and Eve, perfect and innocent.
Adam and Eve, though perfect, were tricked or
enticed and made a wrong decision.
God is omniscient, or all-knowing, but either did
not see that wrong decision coming,
-- or God did see that wrong decision coming but now needed to create a
punishment.
God condemns Adam and Eve with many punishments, as
well as their children not yet born.
(At this point, all
humanity is burdened with, and guilty of, Original
Sin.)
God is good, just and
perfect.
By God's condemnation, a human baby is born guilty
of Original Sin, even though never having lived with
choice;
-- that is, each child is condemned to pay the debt of the mother and
father to the beginning of time.
But, because God is good, just and perfect, God
wants to save humans from the guilt of Original Sin.
God sends his son, Jesus, in the form of a human to
the world.
It is God's intention that, if Jesus is crucified,
then God will lift the guilt of Original Sin from
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